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		<title>By: Betsy Hart</title>
		<link>http://www.betsysblog.com/wordpress/2012/04/06/column-climbing-a-rock-but-getting-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-5776</link>
		<dc:creator>Betsy Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 21:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sitcoms are a reflection of what our culture values, or at least what our adults do, and so they make the point nicely.

I think you, though, might be missing my point.  This is not about rock climbers per se, but about how this ad reflects our culture.  The Huffington Post had it right in presenting the backstory of what the ad was trying to convey.

Yes, I had sisters-in law who were serious rock climbers, level 5 rapid guides, and medal winning extreme skiiers (I&#039;m only a serious skier.)  I completely &quot;get&quot; that culture.  Again, the ad though is not about the rock climbing culture, it&#039;s a reflection of what our elite culture values, and doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sitcoms are a reflection of what our culture values, or at least what our adults do, and so they make the point nicely.</p>
<p>I think you, though, might be missing my point.  This is not about rock climbers per se, but about how this ad reflects our culture.  The Huffington Post had it right in presenting the backstory of what the ad was trying to convey.</p>
<p>Yes, I had sisters-in law who were serious rock climbers, level 5 rapid guides, and medal winning extreme skiiers (I&#8217;m only a serious skier.)  I completely &#8220;get&#8221; that culture.  Again, the ad though is not about the rock climbing culture, it&#8217;s a reflection of what our elite culture values, and doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 03:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Betsy,

I am curious why would you would use a ridiculous, unintelligent sitcom to back up your point?  Loss for support? Most of us don&#039;t even watch television or buy into the &quot;commercialism&quot; that you are saying warrants a symbol of marriage, nice try.  If The Huffington Post wants to be part of your authority for your point, I am sure at least one of their writers can speak/write for themselves on the subject, HERE.

You should pick your subjects wisely in the future.

Also, have you actually met many men that are climbers or alpinists?  They come from all walks of life, socio-economics, they are our brothers, fathers, husbands, uncles and friends, lovers who happen to be incredibly smart, adventurous to say the least.  PROBLEM SOLVERS... scientists, explorers, physicians, pancake flippers, mathematicians, leaders of our country, attorneys, retailers, students and the like. Our country was developed by these kind, the explorers and their WIVES tough enough to survive and settle. If you ask many of them, they might tell you that they do enjoy a female that can do what they can do and WILL do and even perhaps relish the day they meet one.  So before you pigeon hole the lot of us, you might check yourself before you wreck yourself.  

Way to grow your fan base, Betsy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betsy,</p>
<p>I am curious why would you would use a ridiculous, unintelligent sitcom to back up your point?  Loss for support? Most of us don&#8217;t even watch television or buy into the &#8220;commercialism&#8221; that you are saying warrants a symbol of marriage, nice try.  If The Huffington Post wants to be part of your authority for your point, I am sure at least one of their writers can speak/write for themselves on the subject, HERE.</p>
<p>You should pick your subjects wisely in the future.</p>
<p>Also, have you actually met many men that are climbers or alpinists?  They come from all walks of life, socio-economics, they are our brothers, fathers, husbands, uncles and friends, lovers who happen to be incredibly smart, adventurous to say the least.  PROBLEM SOLVERS&#8230; scientists, explorers, physicians, pancake flippers, mathematicians, leaders of our country, attorneys, retailers, students and the like. Our country was developed by these kind, the explorers and their WIVES tough enough to survive and settle. If you ask many of them, they might tell you that they do enjoy a female that can do what they can do and WILL do and even perhaps relish the day they meet one.  So before you pigeon hole the lot of us, you might check yourself before you wreck yourself.  </p>
<p>Way to grow your fan base, Betsy.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi friends - on this thread not all the comments - including the link I shared - came through in real time.  Sorry, and hopefully you now see all the comments and the link I shared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi friends &#8211; on this thread not all the comments &#8211; including the link I shared &#8211; came through in real time.  Sorry, and hopefully you now see all the comments and the link I shared.</p>
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		<title>By: Phx Climber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phx Climber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, as a conservative, married woman I think I kinda see your point that young women may be trying too hard to achieve a role they don&#039;t really want, but feel pressured by society to take on. And on the flip side, when a man’s inherent role as provider is threatened, it could lead him to seek less healthy ways of asserting his masculinity.
This recent article in Time addresses this cultural shift and has some though-provoking ideas about why it may not be entirely negative.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2109140,00.html

However, as a rock climber, I find it really sad that this is the sentiment non-climbers are taking from this commercial. I have to add myself to the long list of married climbers who have already commented on why and how much they enjoyed the commercial and the lifestyle it sums up quite beautifully in 30 seconds. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, as a conservative, married woman I think I kinda see your point that young women may be trying too hard to achieve a role they don&#8217;t really want, but feel pressured by society to take on. And on the flip side, when a man’s inherent role as provider is threatened, it could lead him to seek less healthy ways of asserting his masculinity.<br />
This recent article in Time addresses this cultural shift and has some though-provoking ideas about why it may not be entirely negative.<br />
<a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2109140,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2109140,00.html</a></p>
<p>However, as a rock climber, I find it really sad that this is the sentiment non-climbers are taking from this commercial. I have to add myself to the long list of married climbers who have already commented on why and how much they enjoyed the commercial and the lifestyle it sums up quite beautifully in 30 seconds. <img src='http://www.betsysblog.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lenona</title>
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		<dc:creator>lenona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, where&#039;s the link? All I see is the link to the column - and no comments there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, where&#8217;s the link? All I see is the link to the column &#8211; and no comments there.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Hart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m attaching a link here - I hope it comes through.  This was written about the add, by a commentator who both likes it and followed the industry background that created it, and which concur with my take on it.  


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/single-women-citibank-honda_n_1224780.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m attaching a link here &#8211; I hope it comes through.  This was written about the add, by a commentator who both likes it and followed the industry background that created it, and which concur with my take on it.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/single-women-citibank-honda_n_1224780.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/single-women-citibank-honda_n_1224780.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sabrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besty - Who says that, and where? The only person I see making that inference from this ad is you. Have you not noticed that the majority of people commenting view this commercial as celebrating a great, adventure-filled relationship, not the depraved, single one you keep telling us it is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besty &#8211; Who says that, and where? The only person I see making that inference from this ad is you. Have you not noticed that the majority of people commenting view this commercial as celebrating a great, adventure-filled relationship, not the depraved, single one you keep telling us it is?</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Hart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lenona - I would love it if that were so.  But if you click on the commentary above from people who know about the background of this add you will see it is very much intended celebrate her choice to be single - right now -  and, at least for now, reject not the diamond but the marriage it represented. Again, check out the link above re:  the add if you don&#039;t believe me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lenona &#8211; I would love it if that were so.  But if you click on the commentary above from people who know about the background of this add you will see it is very much intended celebrate her choice to be single &#8211; right now &#8211;  and, at least for now, reject not the diamond but the marriage it represented. Again, check out the link above re:  the add if you don&#8217;t believe me.</p>
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		<title>By: lenona</title>
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		<dc:creator>lenona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I finally saw the ad.

And it&#039;s hard to say whether she&#039;s rejecting a marriage proposal or just the ring. After all, it says &quot;we talked about getting a diamond&quot; not &quot;he offered me a diamond.&quot;

So maybe the question is, IS there a growing trend of young people who DO get married but who also reject the more expensive (and traditional) trappings of an engagement or a wedding in favor of a memorable wedding trip? I.e., young people who think outside the box when it comes to the tradition of materialism - and how best to start and build a marriage?

I hope so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I finally saw the ad.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s hard to say whether she&#8217;s rejecting a marriage proposal or just the ring. After all, it says &#8220;we talked about getting a diamond&#8221; not &#8220;he offered me a diamond.&#8221;</p>
<p>So maybe the question is, IS there a growing trend of young people who DO get married but who also reject the more expensive (and traditional) trappings of an engagement or a wedding in favor of a memorable wedding trip? I.e., young people who think outside the box when it comes to the tradition of materialism &#8211; and how best to start and build a marriage?</p>
<p>I hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Hart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From The Huffington Post referring to this add and one other, by Honda, celebrating single women: 

If the 2010 data showed that single women are working and earning more, the recent marriage data showed how many single women there are -- and that their numbers are likely to multiply in coming years.

The creators of the Citibank and CRV commercials seem to have come to that second conclusion even before the recent marriage data came out. The new commercials sell women the cars and financial products they can now afford by presenting those big ticket items as tools for celebrating their independence rather than attracting a husband.&quot;  The full link is below.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/single-women-citibank-honda_n_1224780.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From The Huffington Post referring to this add and one other, by Honda, celebrating single women: </p>
<p>If the 2010 data showed that single women are working and earning more, the recent marriage data showed how many single women there are &#8212; and that their numbers are likely to multiply in coming years.</p>
<p>The creators of the Citibank and CRV commercials seem to have come to that second conclusion even before the recent marriage data came out. The new commercials sell women the cars and financial products they can now afford by presenting those big ticket items as tools for celebrating their independence rather than attracting a husband.&#8221;  The full link is below.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/single-women-citibank-honda_n_1224780.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/single-women-citibank-honda_n_1224780.html</a></p>
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